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Trump Political Kin Don’t Like Liars

September 24, 2019 by Steve Schneider 5 Comments

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Trump Political Kin Don't Like Liars

The political kin of President Donald Trump are upset. Members of the Florida clan of the Trump political dynasty insist Amendment 4 backers lied to get voters to approve restoring voting rights for many former felons who complete the terms of their sentences.

Three Republican legislators made this serious allegation in a Sept. 12 opinion piece in the Sun Sentinel, a daily newspaper in South Florida. https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/fl-op-com-amendment-4-backers-lied-felons-voting-rights-20190912-pbjud23cvvandg4adsbpbxf32e-story.html

The lawmakers shouted liar in a crowded courtroom of public opinion. They did their best to stir up an angry mob as state and federal judges prepare to rule on legal issues swirling around the implementation of Amendment 4.

Tossing red meat to the MAGA crowd takes up an entire chapter in the Trump political playbook. Lying hogs another whole chapter, if you believe The Washington Post fact-checker who has documented thousands of purported untruths told by our president.

The liar charge hurled at Amendment 4 supporters may not sway judges, but it suggests politicians are floating the idea now as a possible attack for 2020 campaigns.

My hunch got support after I read a Sept 20 article. It says a flurry of motions were filed with the Florida Supreme Court. The motions were filed because Gov. Ron DeSantis has asked the justices to provide an advisory opinion on the meaning of contested language in the new constitutional amendment. The article on the motions does not mention any allegations of lying.

Almost 65% of Sunshine State voters approved the constitutional amendment on Nov. 6, 2018. Supporters argue former felons, excluding those convicted of murder and felony sex crimes, get their voting rights restored upon completion of their sentences.

The Republican-controlled state Legislature, in a party-line vote, passed a law that decrees completion of a sentence includes repayment of fees, fines and restitution ordered by a judge. The law, signed in June by DeSantis, a Republican, generated a swift response. Several federal lawsuits were filed alleging the new law, SB 7066, discriminates against poor people and people of color.

The lawmakers-turned-opinion-writers appealed to the pitchfork crowd by citing the words of attorney Jon Mills. Mills addressed the Florida Supreme Court before the justices gave permission for Amendment 4 to appear on the ballot. He told the justices completion of a sentence included repayment of fees, fines and restitution. Mills was representing Amendment 4 advocates before the court.

It’s clear that Mills did tell Florida Supreme Court justices that fees, fines and restitution were part of the deal. An online report also links Mills to the start of “cash register justice” in Florida when he served in the Florida Legislature two decades ago. https://www.wlrn.org/post/co-author-and-attorney-floridas-amendment-4-helped-create-statewide-fines-and-fees-policy

Do these apparent facts mean Mills lied? Or is it possible he supported Amendment 4 but disagreed with some of his brethren on the repayment of fees, fines and restitution?

Mills is now a law professor at the University of Florida, where he serves as the director of the Center for Governmental Responsibility. He is not a party to the lawsuits challenging SB 7066.

I sent him an email on Sept. 16. I asked him if he lied. I have not gotten a response.

A day earlier, I wrote to MaryLynn Magar, the Speaker Pro Tem of the Florida House, Majority Leader Dane Eagle and Mike Grant, the Majority Whip. They wrote the Sun Sentinel essay alleging Amendment 4 backers lied.

I asked them for proof that Mills lied.

I also asked them for proof that Desmond Meade and Neil Volz lied. Meade and Volz lead the Florida Rights and Restoration Coalition. The FRRC helped bring Amendment 4 to the promised land; they led the charge to get it approved by voters.

Meade even campaigned for passage on a South Florida television station. About nine minutes into the interview, Meade said “Yes, yes” when journalist Jim DeFede asked him if repayment of fines and restitution were part of Amendment 4.

In their opinion piece, the Republican lawmakers went after FRRC, noting the organization’s website said completion of a sentence included repayment of fees, fines and restitution. But, the Republicans added, “That is until they deleted it from their website after being exposed.”

This assertion contains an element of truth. But I don’t think it proves Meade and Volz lied. Is it possible their position did not conform with other Amendment 4 backers? Does this make them liars?

Let’s say the lawsuits lead to a decision that determines linking repayment of fees, fines and restitution to voting rights is illegal or unconstitutional. Such a ruling would not mean Mills, Meade and Volz lied. It might mean, though, that they were wrong about their understanding of the law and constitution. It could also mean they meant what they said, and disagreed with other supporters of Amendment 4.

Some of those other Amendment 4 supporters have asked a federal judge to strike down SB 7066. So, I wrote to the ACLU National, ACLU of Florida, NACCP Legal Defense Fund and the Brennan Center for Justice. I asked if they had lied about Amendment 4. I have not heard back.

I don’t enjoy it when someone lies to me. That’s why I wrote to Magar, Eagle and Grant. We deserve more specific information about their inflammatory allegation. Do they have that information? Or are they taking target practice now to prepare for political battle next year?

The following line in their op-ed may give us a clue: “We, the law-abiding citizens of this great Republic don’t owe ex-felons anything.”

Damn right. Problem is, nobody said we do.

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About Steve Schneider

Steve Schneider lives in Hollywood, Florida. Retired, he writes articles for Humor Times and Democracy Chronicles. He also enjoys some spare time following the zany exploits of authoritarian-leaning Florida politicians.

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  1. Steve Schneider says

    September 26, 2019 at 10:58 am

    This is a critic of my article. I’m continuing to learn about Amendment 4 and SB 7066. The following information provides context to the debate over repayment of fines, fees and restitution. You can find the information at: https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/post/amendment-4-co-author-says-courts-will-have-straighten-out-legislatures-bill

    Part of the report quotes Howard Simon, the retired executive director of the ACLU in Florida.

    “Simon likened the legislature’s hard line on civil liens to saying someone who graduated college didn’t actually graduate, because they still owe money on student loans.

    “Nobody in their right mind would say ‘oh I didn’t graduate yet because I’m still paying off my student loan,’” said Simon. “So when I’m no longer under the jurisdiction of criminal courts and I have a civil lien to pay, I’ve completed my sentence, even though I’m still something maybe on a monthly basis.”
    “I think the courts are gonna have to straighten out a lot of what they did,” said Simon.

    This is my understanding of Simon’s argument: Amendment 4 did cover criminal sentences imposed by a judge. But the criminal sentence ends when the former felon gets out of prison, completes parole and probation and has criminal justice financial obligations converted into a civil lien.

    A civil lien does not prevent a returning citizen from registering to vote under the terms of Amendment 4, which almost 65% of Florida voters approved on Nov. 6, 2018.

    The amendment is now part of the Florida constitution. Court battles over the meaning of Amendment 4 and the impact of SB 7066 may go on for years.

    Stay tuned.

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  2. Steve Schneider says

    September 26, 2019 at 2:27 pm

    The Sun Sentinel has published a response to the Sept. 12 opinion piece discussed in this article. The Sept. 26 article was written by the executive director of the ACLU in Florida.

    https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/fl-op-com-kubic-aclu-amendment-4-florida-20190926-emyuokfdlndxro3b7qrvgxgjoi-story.html

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  3. David Anderson says

    October 11, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    Keep up this fight Steve; Florida is totally in play and this issue could easily be the deciding factor. Forget impeachment (not gonna happen and even if it did do you want 4 years of Pres Pence? Jay-sus!) – Florida ex-felon voting is the game changer of our times. Kudos to Dem Chronicles for covering it so well.

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    • Steve Schneider says

      October 13, 2019 at 7:51 am

      Hello David,

      I’m glad you read Democracy Chronicles. I also thought you might find these links of interest:

      https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/11/2/18049510/felon-voting-rights-amendment-4-florida

      and

      https://flaglerlive.com/138005/denying-voting-rights-to-felons/

      The Vox article says it is not certain how returning citizens will vote. As you know, there are more white former felons than black returning citizens. And white folk tend to be more friendly with the GOP than black voters.

      The Flagler Live link is a reprint of a Nancy Smith column. She is the editor of Sunshine State News. I believe Ms. Smith is a Republican. But she lambasts the GOP for the way they have handled Amendment 4. She is not pleased with Democratic behavior, either.

      Ms. Smith thinks Republicans ought to welcome returning citizens into the voting community and compete for their votes.

      Imagine that. What a quaint, conservative notion.

      Finally, I hope you are checking out coverage of the two-day hearing before federal Judge Robert Hinkle. It sounds as if he is making a distinction between fines and restitution and fees. Fees, he seems to suggest, are essentially a tax, and thus may run afoul of the constitutional prohibition regarding Poll Taxes.

      Judge Hinkle also seems to be in agreement with what Howard Simon said in this link:

      https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/post/amendment-4-co-author-says-courts-will-have-straighten-out-legislatures-bill

      Simon argued the Florida Legislature made a mess of things with SB 7066. Judge Hinkle suggests the Legislature may want to try again.

      Imagine that. The plaintiffs may win at least some of their arguments before this judge.

      One last point I forgot to mention in my article on GOP charges that Amendment 4 advocates lied. Nobody ever promised: “We will not file a lawsuit if the Florida Legislature passes a law we think is unconstitutional.”

      It may take years for the courts to sort this out. Stay tuned.

      Cheers,

      Steve

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  4. Steve Schneider says

    October 16, 2019 at 11:12 am

    Desmond Meade and Neil Volz responded to the GOP Liar charge in an opinion piece today in the Sun Sentinel. Here is the link:

    https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/fl-op-com-desmond-volz-returning-citizens-voting-rights-20191016-tauhehzbrnep3pbidw5ttshd3q-story.html

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